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Topic: McCarthy's Southern Works
Thread: Recovering from The Road
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Recovering from The Road ckenn 3/3/2007
I have read many books, but I have never read a book that has affected me like The Road. I almost regret reading it. I have been so devastated by its bleakness. I can't get my head around the pain it invokes.
I am a father, and my father died a terrible death a few years ago. This novel seemed to open me like a can opener. I felt such fear and anguish for the characters, and I was so viscerally engulfed by the world McCarthy created. Scenes from the book play over in my mind. I don't know if it's doing me any good.
The thing is, I'm a realtively stable person. However, I wept openly while reading the last few pages of the novel. It was late at night and I had to walk around the house a few times to compose myself enough to be able to finish. I could not pick it up afterward. My wife took it back to the library. She couldn't read it.
I have read Cormac McCarthy's work in the past, but as I said in the beginning, nothing compares to the emotional beating I took while reading this novel. I can't understand how painful and how exhausting this must have been to write. I'm not a dedicated fan of the author (as many of you probably are), but I'm wondering if you read anything the author said about the book, or the writing of the book. I would like to be able to understand his motivation behind this work. I can't imagine how anything else written could be compared to it. Dante's inferno, The Book of Revelation, you name it. This book is alone.
Thanks for reading. It's nice to get this off my chest.

ck

Recovering from The Road Clement 3/3/2007
ckenn, McCarthy has only given two interviews in his forty-odd year career, and in them he doesn't talk about his writing. So you're likely to get little satisfaction in that regard. It hasn't stopped a lot of us from speculating though.

I know a writer whose literary antecedents I would probably describe as consisting solely of Celine, Bukowski, and writer of Revelation. This guy is hard-core. I tried McCarthy before on him and he yawned (Child of God). I got him to read The Road and he even admitted a tear. Unfortunately, my small victory came at a price - he refuses to discuss the book with me and wouldn't write a review(which is why I ordered the book from AMZN and had it sent to him).

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/3/2007
ck:

All of us took some kind of beating when we read that book. I especially cannot imagine any parent who would not be mugged by it. Aside from the terror it inspires, though, I also found it to be a very profound meditation on the mystery and complexity of love, and in a culture which is becoming more and more mercenary and in which human beings are increasingly commodified, that's a good thing to have inflicted upon us periodically. I sent a copy to my friend and colleague John Cant in England, and John - who is always very eloquent and precise in his responses to literature -wrote back: "Holy mackerel. Only McCarthy."

Why he would write it in the first place is anyone's guess, but the value of it having been written is obvious. Dan Rather, the TV newscaster and commentator, wrote a short response to the novel (which you can search out on this web site using the search engine feature on the Forum homepage), in which he insisted that all heads of state be obligated to read it. He felt that there was simply no other document that could express as forcefully the utter folly of nuclear proliferation.

Recovering from The Road hdy 3/3/2007
ckenn,
Yes, I have never been as emotionally effected by a written work either. I've been reading McCarthy for more than twenty years (I wish I still had those first editions of his early works I could of given my kids, but I misplaced along the way somewhere!), and The Road is by far the most emotionally disturbing book of McCarthy's. All the others are great and masterful, but different.
I'm a father of five living in rural Alaska and like Rick mentioned, wonder if being a father influenced my reading. It must have.
I've read TR twice since Thanksgiving. I want to read it again, but find I'm only able reread portions now as I can't take the stress. Other have talked about needing to read instead every review they can and lurking around this forum late at night (both of which I've done.) "Only McCarthy!"

Recovering from The Road ckenn 3/4/2007
Hey, thanks everybody. I do agree that the realtionship McCarthy creates between father and son is what ultimately delivers the emotional beating to the reader. I think of the father as my ultimate hero. I don't think I could do it. The insidious small stresses of the world in which I live make me feel incompetent in the face of this archetype of fatherly devotion. Then again, perhaps I would surprise myself. The books begs us to ask these questions of ourselves, I think.
Dan Rather is right, too. I said the same thing to my 13 year old. She snuck the book away and read the last few pages. I don't tell her what to read, but I told her not to read TR. I think she gets it.
This discussion is helpful because I can begin to think of this as a book. I don't know what space it occupied in my head prior to this, but it wasn't book space.
ck

Recovering from The Road Clement 3/4/2007
I believe it is unlikely that the father-son relationship can be the sole cause of the unease which many of us have with the book. McCarthy puts us in a place where the usual modality of being homo sapiens - which is being human - is untenable. There is no longer a past to carryforward into the future. The dead are dead and the future is unimaginable - something that we aren't normally forced to confront. The man and boy are heros to us because they try to be human in the face of this. Even in the post-Apocalyptic genre, I don't think this confrontation is a common experience as a general rule.




Recovering from The Road blackhiller 3/4/2007
It's devastating. I am teaching it right now in Intro to Lit, and student reactions have been strong: one gal said it was "too hard to read but I couldn't put it down." To my memory, anyway, I only remember two books briniging tears to my eyes in the last decade or more: _The Crossing_ and this one. And it may sound hokey to some (though I think it's a terrific film), but _In the Name of the Father_ did, too--and since my wife bought it last year, I haven't been able to bring myself to rewatch it yet.

Clem,

I think you again hit on something there: most Sci Fi and such, as good as some of it is, doesn't give us real characters, real people.

Also, by the way, feel free to email me one-to-one at davidcremean@bhsu.edu.


Recovering from The Road Queen Sago 3/4/2007
This is a devastating story for me because of the stress and love of the parent for their child...when the father dies, I was beaten myself. I was also very sad when the wife kills herself, a kind of gag response sadness, repulsed sadness. Perhaps if this was a story between a young cuple I would still have felt as torn up when one of them dies, no doubt. The unease in the story for me is for the father and son to survive, for this child, who seems very young, 6 years old maybe..to be protected.

Clement says" There is no longer a past to carryforward into the future. The dead are dead and the future is unimaginable - something that we aren't normally forced to confront. "

Clement, I don't know...I'm not willing to say the father son story is the only unease in the novel. But I believe that what you say here IS exactly what is normal for humans to experice, it may be among the most defining things about being human. The past is not able to carry in to the future. The dead are dead, the future is unknowable. I might even say the only difference between humans and a dog, or a monkey are those intangibles and that we know and talk about those intangibles.

Recovering from The Road Queen Sago 3/4/2007
blackhiller, we must have posted at the same time, I see we both opened our posts with including the word "devastating" isn't that a weird feeling.

Recovering from The Road blackhiller 3/4/2007
Absolutely! But I cribbed it from a woman (with her husband) I was chatting with over beers in Big Sky, MT, a couple of years ago and her description of _Blood Meridian_. I'd taken it as a negative comment at first, only to find as our discussion went on that she meant it as praise.

Recovering from The Road paulg 3/4/2007
I wonder if you have to be an adult, and specifically a parent, to have this kind of reaction to 'The Road'? My kids (aged 20 and 17) both read the book and were not nearly as moved by it as I was.

Recovering from The Road Queen Sago 3/4/2007
paulg, this is a case in point of Rick Wallach's statement on Sunset Limited topic that "texts belong to the reader". McCarthy may or may not have inteneded the novel to grip us with the love story of a family, but each reader takes their own sense and conclusions from a text.


Recovering from The Road ckenn 3/4/2007
I'm very interested to read all of your comments. I laughed to myself on the way home in the car a few minutes ago thinking 'what other book could cause a literary discussion to sound more like a support group'.
paulg's comment is worthy of consideration. I think there are people who will not respond to the book the way I (dare I say we) did.
I think Clement makes a good point regarding the dismembering of what it means to be human in the book, but at the same time it's the people we meet along the road that caused me such pain. I still maintain the book is character driven. That being said, the world he created is so real: I still see the beach, the bloodcult gang walking along the road, the men on the back of the stalled tractor trailer.
Do you recall when they are walking along after being in the bunker for a few days, and the father finds out the gas on the stove has been left open? I remember unconsciously wincing when I read that part and feeling the pain of that small event.

Again, thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts, and thank-you all so much for your insightful commentary.
ck

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/4/2007
CK: please do stick around and chime in from time to time.

Queen Sago: fascinating that you should take your name from a type of large cycad that I no longer have in my garden, due to its susceptibility to Phillipine white scale. I had a glorious, huge old one with six trunks that must have been fifty to sixty years old and had to destroy because of that miserable introduced plague. So of course ten years later they come up with an insecticide that's fed to the roots and annihilates the scale, and I haven't had the heart to plant another one.

Recovering from The Road ckenn 3/4/2007
Thank-you Rick. I've enjoyed this. I will check in from time to time. Jump in Rick and plant two cycads. One for the Son, one for the Father!
ck

Recovering from The Road simona87 3/4/2007
Hi, new here, and not a father, but a mother and a new one at that with a 1-year-old son. Read the Road two months ago and am still thinking about it and having scenes pop in my head from nowhere while out doing just about anything else. The bunker scene in particular. I only read the book once and yet I can see the father cutting the son's hair, opening the can of peaches, etc. Had no plans to read McCarthy prior to The Road because I'd heard he's a bit of a 'guy's writer' but liked the reviews. The impact it has emotionally on readers seems unparalleled to me. It has driven me to read about McCarthy and I've started Blood Meridian, which is incredible on another literary level but without the same emotional bullet of TR. All a long-winded way to get to my point.
I think, among other things, TR is a paean to our world as it is now and the incredible beauty and complexity it contains. Every page, every description, every emotional connection between father and son is resonant with loss and the remains of what once was. It's a book of mourning foretold, and I don't want to be biographical but it seems to me that every new parent is confronted by the reality that the life they have created will (God willing) continue without them. It's the human tragedy that the most profound happiness we know, that of having children, is caught up in the most profound loss, that of our own eventual deaths. McCarthy is a new father, is he not? But perhaps TR is so powerful because while he gives us the images of a world destroyed, we as readers living in a world still alive, feel the pain of what is missing. I know that for a few days immediately after reading it, the world and its colours and shapes was very sharp to me, the way it is when you fall in love. I feel that what he is reminding us is that life is temporary, our connections thinly held together by our hope and love for one another and yet despite the futility of each life, there is continuity, which I'm gathering is much more optimistic for him than in other books. Others will continue on the road. All in all, the explanation for the book that made the most sense to me was this overarching psychological/Jungian one.

Recovering from The Road Clement 3/6/2007
Dave, thanks for the email address. Will do.

Recovering from The Road blackhiller 3/6/2007
Clem,

I look forward to it. You probably already know this, but there is this whole underground one-to-one that is an offshoot of the forum as well. . . .

Recovering from The Road wesmorgan 3/6/2007
simona87,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for sharing your thoughts. I would very much like to hear what you think of the other McCarthy works as you work your way through them. We seem to get far too few posts from women.

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/6/2007
At my age, I get far too few anythings from women...uh-oh, I think Brown Dog's gotten under my skin here....

Recovering from The Road bcallison 3/8/2007
simona87, ditto wesmorgan, would like to read your thoughts of Blood Meridian. I've known only two women who have been willing to read that book and neither one of them will discuss it. But if you've read The Road I reckon you're ready for anything.
But first of all (and I don't need to tell you this), take care of that child...

Recovering from The Road johndaum 3/8/2007
My intro to McCarthy was Blood Meridian via Harold Bloom's glowing, awe-filled nod in How to Read and Why. I went from BM to Child of God to NCfOM to Outer Dark to The Road to Sunset Limited. [I'm wondering what to read next. . .]

The Road just wrecked me.

My father was killed 3 years ago and I have 4 sons between the ages of 1 and 12. I am at an age/station in life where I am wrestling with some personal demons. [Don't know if I am exorcizing them or exercising them] Needless to say, The Road resonated with me on a number of levels.

It just so happened that I got to the end of The Road while sitting in a crowded doctor's office waiting room. Let's just say that the tears fell nor did they cease from falling. I've never had a book move me to tears yet with each rereading of The Road, I weep all over again.

This forum has been an immense help in understanding and appreciating McCarthy's works. My passions have taken me to a number of destinations on the WWW, but I have yet to come across a community as intelligent, helpful and good-natured. It is obvious that many of you know each other very well but you have all been very kind to this "outsider" even though I am close to positive that I don't come across very well in the ones and zeros of cyberspace. Thanks.

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 3/8/2007
CK: I loved your comment about this thread sounding like it was written by members of a support group! It affected me much the same as it did you. I couldn't put it down until after 2 a.m. the night I read it.

Intellectually, I've been kept awake nights over the following passage: "He tried to think of something to say but he could not. He'd had this feeling before, beyond the numbness and the dull despair. The world shrinking down around a raw core of parsible entities. The names of things slowly following those things in to oblivion. Colors. The names of birds. Things to eat. Finally the names of things one believed to be true. More fragile than he would have thought. How much was gone already? The sacred idiom shorn of its referents and so of its reality. Drawing down like something trying to preserve heat. In time to wink out forever." Those things I believe are true--in such a setting, with a child to protect, what things that I say I believe would I believe? It is all too easy to imagine myself doing almost everything the father did, even those things that are clearly wrong.

Emotionally, the scene where the son finally confronts the father about the dichotomy between his stories and "real life" has haunted me. My heart aches for the father when he says that he thought their story was a good one, that it "counted for something." When I got to the end of the book I was sobbing. I don't ever recall any book having this impact on me. The human love, so perfectly imperfect. The boy's grief over losing his father, whom he now sees more clearly and still loves with all his heart, reminds me of my own emotions over losing my own quite less than perfect father six years ago.

It's also fascinating to read the reviews over at Amazon.com and see that there isn't much middle ground. Folks either love it or hate it; they get it or they don't. The comments I find hardest to accept are the ones that claim there are no characters to care about. All I know is that no other book I've read has ever hit me this hard. I've told everyone I know to read it, and my friends are starting to dive down dark alleyways rather than hear me ask again if they've read it yet.

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/8/2007
All of you folks who have been nailed by this book really ought to consider stealing a few days to join us in Knoxville on April 25-28 for a series of papers, roundtable discussions and background on The Road and McCarthy's Appalachian works. Don't let the formalistic appellation "conference" throw you - as anyone who has attended our gatherings in the past will tell you, aside from the many smart, enlightening papers and forums, it's the fun, good humor, food and camraderie that really keep us coming back. It would be really well worth it - but then, all of the Society conferences have had their own special frissons.

Recovering from The Road Queen Sago 3/8/2007
Kathleen, your observation that the father has grappled with memory, with ideology, what is true, or truth with words with what is left in the world is resonant, for this reader, to the men in The Sunset Limited. Black and White are separate in the SL but it seems as if the father has these thoughts in his own one mind. I lost my parents six years ago too. The boy remembering his father is resonant of the fathers memory of the world as it was and what kind of control can we have of a perfect past a perfect parent the boy seems to let drift not as perfect but what has to be real only processed as memories. The dead world and the boys dead father are lost and yet memory answers the novels "query", no?

John Daum, are the demons in your life like memories too of what was once and can never be again. Maybe the boy at the end of the novel is a path a tao of how to live with demons. Take the best and leave the rest?

bcallison, I know several women who have read Blood Meridian. Maybe we could organize a world wide call for women to discuss the novel here?

Rick, In another life I studied botany, even have a rare temperate rainforest lily documented with my name. The cycas circinalis is a fascinating genus, lovely plant and well worth considering to find a place in your heart to plant again. Six trunks is an accomplishment in your old beauty. A new one might not display so well but will always add glamor to your garden. I presented a paper once on the entire family and the cycad has some interesting properties. The Society conferences sound like a rousing event. I wish I had the time to write about the ethnobotony of Suttree. The symbiotic relationship of Knoxville to hooch, tobacco, and Mother She might be a trip.

Recovering from The Road Clement 3/8/2007
Thanks for posting that Rick. I was wondering about that - whether non-academics could attend and just like, hang out.

Recovering from The Road blackhiller 3/9/2007
The McCarthy conferences indeed are fun, and in the 3 I've attended so far the non-academics have added a lot in many ways and helped keep us acks in line, just like they do here. Wish I could make this one, but can't, and I'm jealous of all who can.

Recovering from The Road stephanie 3/9/2007
bcallison,

I'm a woman and I have read "Blood Meridian" (approximately seven times since first reading it in 2004 - I lost count somewhere), I've engaged in discussions about it and am still willing to discuss it, so feel free to start one. I read the forum continually (also since 2004), I'm just usually off-line on weekends (library closed). I'm from Germany and 27 years old.

Stephanie

Recovering from The Road mff8785 3/9/2007
Clement,

I ain't no academic, but I plan on attending. I may not add too much to the "academic scene," but I am really looking forward to checking out the Suttree Stagger, enjoying Suttree's Knoxville, and listening to the academic presentations and their intellectual receptions of "The Road."

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/9/2007
Clement:

Even you can attend. Springtime in Knoxville is beautiful, and a good time to take a libation-punctuated stroll through the haunts of the novel. Plus, although I wouldn't go so far as to call Knoxville an undiscovered culinary paradise (like, say, Pittsburgh), there are some really good little out-of-the-way places - one right down the street from McCarthy's childhood home and a stone's throw from the probable sites of both the Green Fly Inn and the orchard pit - where you can chow down con brio and remember it long afterwards.


Recovering from The Road Clement 3/9/2007
Damn, I gonna see if my wife will let me go. Was last in Knoxville in 04, but just passing through. If'n she'll turn the hose on me I'll clean up right nice. Libations ye say? Well this old boy takes his staggering pretty seriously. "Friday running to Sunday on my knees," as the Bono sings.

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/10/2007
Queen Sago:

That grand old tree was one of the main reasons that I bought that house in the first place; I was in shock when I first saw it. I'd never seen one that big, symmetrical and full of character (each of the six boles had a distinct "elbow" at the halfway point, so it looked like a six-amed waiter carrying trays of green feathers). The previous owners of the house told me that it was already pretty much like that when they bought it, so they don't know if it had ever been "trained" or not, but I doubt it. When the scale infestation begain, I fought it with everything in the arsenal, from insecticidal soap to systemics. All futile; trying to fight scale with soap in the wet season on a plant that big, with a thunderstorm producing a scouring twenty minute deluge every goddamned afternoon for three months, I might as well have tried Selsun Blue. And at that time, none of the systemics that killed ordinary scale worked on the whitescale, nor did the little scale eating phorid wasps seem to care for it - even the ladybugs couldn't keep up with it. When I had to give up on it, it was heartbreaking. I went on vacation to Australia and told my landscsaper to cut it up and have a Canary Island Palm plunked down in the hole by the time I got back so I wouldn't have to watch it being removed. I didn't know it at the time but the plant labs over by Fairchild Gardens already were testing something that worked very effectively and became generally available the following year. That's how it goes.

But you're right. I ought to put a few more in place - if I can at least find sime nice specimens.

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 3/10/2007
Rick:

I would dearly love to attend this particular conference, but it's impossible. Will there be any printed recaps of the conference?

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/10/2007
Kathleen:

I expect that many of the papers being presented there will find their way into The Cormac McCarthy Journal Vol. 6, which will be focused on The Road. So, yes, you ought to have a record of much of the proceedings.

But of course, you won't get to eat and carouse like we will...

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 3/10/2007
I know it, but with my darned flying phobia, the Journal will have to do.

Two questions:

How much is does a single issue of the Journal cost?

How did you italicize your text?

Recovering from The Road ckenn 3/12/2007
It's been a few weeks since I posted here, and I'm quite thrilled that so many people have posted back, even though the conversation has moved away from TR. As for TR, I've begun to forget about it, and I'm relieved it has let go of its grip somewhat. I doubt I'll re-read it, but maybe I should. The book is like a soul check. It reminded me of some very important things, or introduced me to some things that I did not know, but need to. I'm 41 years old, and, slowly, I am becoming aware of my own mortality.
I laughed when reading your comment, Kathleen, about telling everybody you knew to read the book. I have a student teacher in my classroom right now, a younger guy, and I'm convinced he thinks I'm a little nuts. I talked about the book non-stop for so long he's now rolling his eyes. Kathleen, do you think you could make a list of all the people you know, and predict whether or not they would be affected by the book? There seems to be common threads among the people that have posted here: kids, deceased parents, and so on, that makes the book resonate in a very profound way.
The whole Knoxville conference thing sounds pretty cool. It sounds like something you'd have to prepare for. Re-read the books, bone up on your Cormac trivia: kind of like training to run a 10k race. I'm from Canada, so heading down to Knoxville sounds pretty romantic. I grew up listening to country music, and Knoxville appears in songs quite often. "Knoxville Girl" by the Louvin Brothers. I think the girl dies in that one. Quite a macabre little tale in of itself!
johndaum, I feel you buddy. I know I struggle with a lot of things too, but I believe in the good, and the good gets me through. It'll get you through, too.

ck

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 3/12/2007
"Kathleen, do you think you could make a list of all the people you know, and predict whether or not they would be affected by the book? There seems to be common threads among the people that have posted here: kids, deceased parents, and so on, that makes the book resonate in a very profound way."

Well, yes, I probably could, but for those who would not get it, it would have little to do with whether they've lost parents or had kids; it's more a capacity to empathize, I think, that makes one open to a book like this one.

Recovering from The Road rick wallach 3/12/2007
Kathleen: depends on the issue. The Suttree issue is bigger than any prior issue but costs less than some (at $15 for members, $17.50 for non-members) because we printed twice as many of them as we usually do, knowing they would all be sold very quickly.

'Course if you join the Society, you get each annual issue for $9.00 automatically. Check the "join" page of the Society web site.

Recovering from The Road ann elizabeth 3/14/2007
Hello, I am new and read the road last october-scenes still pop into my mind here and there, and as someone else noted, after reading it the world looked particularly beautiful (especially sunlight and green) for quite a while. Soemone mentioned things the father did that were wrong-something that really bothered me was that he left the people locked up in that cannibal pantry. I have tried to rationalize this, but from a purely selfish standpoint just leaving the door open would have disrupted the cannibals and helped cover his/child's excape. My only rationalization is that it was so awful and he was just so shocked he didn't think, also there may be a symbolic closing of the door on evil too great to really deal with (and on subconscious mind, if I want to be silly)...anyway, I enjoyed looking at this thread-I have only read this book and no country for old men (and isolated lines from both still pop up for me)...comments on this are appreciated. I know nothing about the author, but I guess he explains nothing...oh well.
Ann Elizabeth

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 3/14/2007
A friend of mine told me once that his daughter, an exceptionally bright child, told him that finishing a good book is like saying goodbye to a friend. I think that's why I'm still posting; I don't want to say goodbye to these two brave souls. But as one my anthopology professors once told our class, "All meetings end in partings." I don't recall where he got that expression, but it's a sad fact, no less true about what happens between a book and its reader.

Recovering from The Road jonglyn 3/20/2007
I've been reading The Road over again and yesterday on the way home, on the train, I got to the part where the father finds the bunker. The can of pears. Oh my. These'll be the best pears you've ever had in your life. Just you wait.

I had to put the book down for the water welling in my eyes. I thought of this thread. Recovering from The Road.

So powerful.

Recovering from The Road mff8785 3/22/2007
Last week, I re-read "Cormac McCarthy's Venemous Fiction" for the first time in a while. It reminded me that McCarthy in his earlier years, and middle-aged years has more than likely done his share of eating pears out of cans in the wilderness. Assoaciating the artists personal experience with the text creates a few more interesting reading possibilities when reading The Road.

Recovering from The Road rochrunner 3/22/2007
I am 60 years old, not a person who displays emotions often, and "The Road" might be the only book that ever brought me to tears in the last few pages. I couldn't even cry when my own father died, yet tears were dripping down my cheeks as I closed the cover last evening.

It may be because I'm the father of an only son, and when he was about that age I can recall all the good times we had as "best pals", going on our own road trips, camping out, and enjoying each other's company. With some problems that he had at the time, we also had to adopt a sort of us-against-the-world attitude too.

The book also brought out one of the great fears that has been at the back of my mind, which is what will become of him and who will watch over him if/when I'm gone? Our family is very sparse and he may have no family at all to turn to. Somehow, the closing scene made me realize that he will survive even without me, and that might have been what pushed me over the edge.

In any case, this was a very moving experience for me, and I could go on and on about the small details that McCarthy handled just right: revealing just enough to give you an idea of the bigger picture without answering any of the unanswerable questions about what happened and why.

Since this is my first McCarthy book (don't read all that much fiction), I guess I have to go out and find some more of his works...

Recovering from The Road Moderndaydruid 3/22/2007
I'm new to McCarthy, new to the forum. I picked up The Road off Amazon, because I kept reading cryptic references to the book here and there in interviews. In game developer circles, The Road is the hottest topic of conversation. I went to Amazon and read a few reader reviews and I was sold.

I felt compelled to write my own mini review on Amazon. I titled it "Bittersweet Journey, Hauntingly Beautiful Book". I parrot others here in that I'm telling everyone I know to read this book. I started The Road and could not put it down. I can't tell you how long it's been since a book gripped me like that. When I finished The Road, my chest was tight, from holding back this dam of tears that built up in those last minutes of the book. I sat up in bed. It was early in the morning, my wife still asleep next to me. I just sat there with this lump in my throat mourning this fictitious man whose name I did not know, sad for his son's loss, his son who had so fast grown into a man over the course of the journey. I couldn't help but think that as a father their journey could be mine. Their world could be ours. How fragile civilization is. The Road has so many themes. I'm anxious for my friends, colleagues to read it so we can discuss it.

Is anyone else having trouble convincing people to read this book? When I give a snyopsis of what the book is about, many immediately want to categorize the book as science fiction and disregard it. I find myself saying "No no, you don't understand!"

Recovering from The Road salva 3/22/2007
Moderndaydruid,

I totally understand...just tonight, i was talking about the book to a couple of co-workers, essentially saying how i think the book will be a regarded as a classic and that it will be read 100 years from now. i even offered to buy a copy for them - that's how important i think it is. "so what's it about?," they ask. well... how do you answer that?

Recovering from The Road Clement 3/22/2007
I've gotten a lot of people to read the book - even my wife, who'd of liked to throttle me after reading "Child of God"(another McCarthy title). My point is everyone I bought a copy for had already been force fed (by me) other McCarthy titles and knew this wouldn't be a McCarthy-Slumming-In-Genre-Fiction work. Myself being resistant to science fiction, I could see the problems you would run into. I'm ashamed to say I might not have read it either if I hadn't been exposed to McCarthy before.

Others would probably tell you this if I hadn't beat them to it:
If you want to have the same experience again read his "Blood Meridian" - and everybody will resist it because they think its 'only' a western. Warning though, there will be no cathartic tears with BM. The bloodcults get to tell their side of the story.

Recovering from The Road Clement 3/22/2007
Forgot to mention...anyone who didn't shed a tear during the course of this book was probably hung up on punctuation and sentence fragments. All 27 of them posted their reviews at Amazon too.

Recovering from The Road blackhiller 3/23/2007
I'll disagree with Clem here: I recommend _The Crossing_ as your next McCarthy book: a couple of scenes there made me weep some like I did with The Road. Then BM, which otherwise could lead one to misanthropy.

The two McCarthy books I've thus far been able to persuade my wife to read have been PH (lackluster reaction on her part) and TR (many, many tears there, and I think it's still haunting her).

Recovering from The Road nicole 4/28/2007

I agree with the humorous notion that this forum is like a self-help group and a necessary one at that. I also would not be able to bring myself to read TR again but want to read what others thought of it. And as someone who would never post anything I find myself posting something. I read ATPH and TC last fall and didn’t feel the need to look for forums but now after reading the Road, I can’t get it out of my mind.

I think as many who have posted on this topic that TR resonates most to me because I am a child who lost a father and a parent, and in that order.

There is little I could add to Simona87’s thought provoking post, “It's the human tragedy that the most profound happiness we know, that of having children, is caught up in the most profound loss, that of our own eventual deaths. McCarthy is a new father, is he not?” And it does seem looking at his bio that McCarthy is a new father and also looks like he dedicated TR to his young son.

One of the most wonderful things about TR is its celebration of parenthood. McCarthy brings into focus what I thought when I had my child- that I am the caretaker of this angelic creature who I am to shepherd through childhood and who I will be lucky enough to get to know and spend time with and who will surpass me in every way. I know that experience is what allowed my own father to die peacefully. And what hits me hardest in TR is imagining the burden that the child carries. He must live up to his father’s hopes and carry on his best qualities and of course miss him terribly.

It is hard not to love the father more because of his weaknesses. But one question, if he knew he was dying why didn’t he look for a group of survivors to leave his son with, maybe those in the town with the dog?

To those that ask what this book is about I would say, a relationship between a parent and child or our human condition. I do not think the backdrop to this, the bleak landscape, is more than a backdrop. I think that when you strip away the gloss, the world of TR is not so different than elements of our present world – when it comes right down to it you pass through each day as best you can and have no way to fathom the future, finding strength in human connections. But I probably wouldn’t recommend TR to anyone as it is too difficult and I think they would need to gravitate to it themselves.

Another thought, I haven’t read it in a while but did anyone else make a connection between TR and Marilynne Robinson’s Gilead?

Recovering from The Road Clement 4/28/2007
Yes Nicole, I even suggested a couple of days ago that its a topic worthy of maybe a paper. I'm not the one to to it though. It's interesting that Gilead and The Road both won Pulitzers with only a year in beween. Ames trek with his father to find the grandfather's grave through dustbowl Kansas really resonates with some of scenes in McCarthy's book = particulary the hunger and dirtiness of father and son. Then there is the obvious of the father trying to pass along some 'fire' knowing he'll never get to see the boy in adulthood. Also the biographical situation of McCarthy very much echoes Ames. Seventy-odd year old father with a very young son and wife.

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 4/29/2007
Nicole writes, "It is hard not to love the father more because of his weaknesses."

Exactly. Without those flaws, how could any of us identify ourselves as parents, or our own parents, with him?

The demands of the roles of provider and protecter can sometimes blind one to things that are obvious in retrospect. But despite those times, the father manages to nurture this child such that one might gladly accept ten years of post-apocalyptic living to be the child of this thoroughly human father.


Recovering from The Road brett 5/11/2007
I have just finished reading TR last night, and like you all am still haunted and traumatized. I lay beside my five year old son and wept uncontrollably as he lay peacefully sleeping.

I just want to add that I appreciated finding this 'self help group' and hearing other people's responses to help me work through my thoughts. It was the first time I have ever wept whilst reading and the first time I have felt the need to posting something on the web like this.

As I tried to sleep last night the thing that I tried to focus on was the idea of the 'saviour' coming over the hill in the yellow and grey parka. I thought that that must be the only time in the book that an object is described as being of a primary colour. Everything else is grey or clothes are always rags. I felt like it was a metaphor for the sun rising and hopefully bringing with it a new dawn.

I guess I also just wanted to add to the talk of this book that whilst we focus on the post-apocalyptic setting, in many ways people in places like Sudan and Iraq are no doubt experiencing many of the moral dilemmas that are raised in the novel. How did the people of Rwanda cope during the '94 genocide? Is this novel so far removed from a situation such as that? I guess I'm just thinking that as compassionate humans we have to stay vigilant to situations such as this. I saw some negative review of the book online and they had placed it in the 'fantasy' genre. What a joke.

So thanks for this forum everyone!

Recovering from The Road peterfranz 5/11/2007
Excellent and though-provoking post brett. Many thanks for that.

pf

Recovering from The Road chris9 5/21/2007
I, too, cried at the finish of reading this book, and I guess I may have been affected by becoming a dad in the last year. Not that I wouldnt have bawled anyway! I am very excited by CM's work (and I have read all save Orchard), without exception, and I trust people are careful with filming his stories. Early reviews of NCOM look real good. I havent analysed The Road too much, I was so overwhelmed emotionally by it. Nice point about the yellow parka, brett, I sure was pleased to see him meet the boy. I gotta buck up and read it again. Just so enveloping, affecting.

Recovering from The Road hodologico 5/31/2007

Recovering from The Road JTode 8/16/2008
Hey all. I was trying to post this last night but I kept getting some kind of error on the server when I hit the post button. It's almost frightening, the number of people who reported the same experiences - walking around the house all night, for instance. Anyways, here's what I wrote at 5 am last "night", and we'll see if it posts now:

I just finished The Road - it's my first McCarthy book and, with the exception of ten pages yesterday, the first time I've read an entire average-length novel in one day.

This has nothing to do with anything, but along with the novel, I bought a postcard with a picture of Nietzsche, which I used as a bookmark.

...

All the way through, I thought to myself, why the hell would he write this... and why the hell, the hell, the hell, am I not throwing it away? This is the most deeply depressing thing I've ever read... and also the most pure example of Aristotle's notion of tragic Catharsis I've ever experienced.

...

I will now work my way through the rest of his books, and based on what I saw in the Coen Brothers' adaptation of No Country For Old Men, I expect similar literary brutality the whole way through. "What you got is nothing new..."

...

The most chilling thing for me was when the narrator, no, the author I think, suddenly stopped in the midst of his story, turned directly to me, the reader, and issued instructions, as though (scratch that) the story was (the story is) in fact an instructional, not a cautionary tale. He told me, on page 74, as the father cared for his son "like some ancient anointing. So be it. Evoke the forms. Where you've nothing else construct ceremonies out of the air and breathe upon them..." and then returned to the story.

This is the author as prophet, whether he is true or false - he believes this to be more likely than not a coming reality; like the last few scenes of Threads where the survivors have taken on the styles and habits of their medieval ancestors, we will regress to that more nasty, brutish and short mode of survival.

Anton Chigurh is the proof that we have never really left that past behind us; like the homonymic chigger, he is not often seen, but raises painful red boils (bloodstains) on society's skin, and though he himself may or may not die, what he is will not die so easily.

If NCFOM is the story of civilization's attempt to maintain its dominance, leaving Chigurh bleeding and hunted at the end (I don't know if the book ends the same way or not, but I assume it's similar), The Road is a story which takes place in Chigurh's time, and the roles are completely reversed - in the world of The Road, a Chigurh thrives.

I just finished my BA in English last year, and hadn't been planning to go back, but now I'm seriously considering it, so as to do some work on McCarthy.

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The ocean is a pointless journey, but the only goal which can be rationalized on any level; as the world devolves, it only makes sense that the last few dying animal forms would seek the presence of their ancestral home, even if evolution has long ago thrown away the capacity to enjoy its refuge.

And when they get there and the man realizes the journey was pointless, he crawls away to die.

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Has anyone said anything about the sextant yet? The last thing to ever stir something in the man? I can seem to find or search for old threads, and I suspect the configuration of this forum is going to allow a lot of great criticism to languish on some forgotten tape backup somewhere, cursed with a lifetime of only 10 days... but maybe I just haven't figured it out yet.

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Lastly... I'm glad he threw me a bone at the end. I was afraid to go bed, because this is the first time I've felt that something I read could give me nightmares. I would not say my hope is restored, but I can at least live with that ending.

Recovering from The Road Kathleen 8/16/2008
JTode:

Read The Road again. It's much more rewarding the second and third time through. It's actually a book of hope, I believe. I didn't get the impression that the father thought the journey had been pointless; he died of his illness, something he knew was going to happen for at least half of the book.

I heartily encourage you to pursue a master's study of McCarthy. He's an amazing author, and he's raised the bar by which I respond to other authors.

By the way, the book that surpassed The Road for me was McCarthy's Suttree. Read and enjoy it soon!

Recovering from The Road reepss 8/16/2008
the ocean is a "pointless journey"?
hmm
wasnlt joyce's last book supposed to be about the ocean,
where all rivers join?
if again the seas are silent and any still alive


Recovering from The Road JTode 8/16/2008
Maybe pointless was the wrong word, or the ocean was the wrong focus - going to the ocean was as useful, it would seem, as going anywhere else. But the attraction, the instinctual urge to return, that desire would be more powerful than what they would feel for any other destination, even if he had no real reason to believe that it would do them any good.

Heading South did have a purpose, mind you.

As for reading it again, that's about as likely as my ever watching Irreversible again. Well, no, that's not true - The Road, at least, has a point (a highly relevant one) to make.

Recovering from The Road glass 8/16/2008
"...as the world devolves, it only makes sense that the last few dying animal forms would seek the presence of their ancestral home, even if evolution has long ago thrown away the capacity to enjoy its refuge." JTode

That's an intriguing observation and ties in nicely, for me at least, with the squid imagery and the deep sea. Sad, but unsurprising, that there are a number of blue things at the sea such as the man's bruised shoulder and the boy's skin after emerging from a swim, but not the water itself.

(Jtode, you can search old threads by going back "all days." A virus attack wiped out most threads posted from July 2007 to July 2008, but you should be able to find posts dating to 1998 in the archives.)

Peter

Recovering from The Road JTode 8/16/2008
Yah, I figured it out soon after making that statement. :>

Edit: Oh yeah, I also meant to say that there is no doubt in my mind that the life forms that have always thrived at the bottom of the ocean were still there, and largely unaffected by the cataclysm on the surface, just as there would still be a blue sky above the clouds, if they could get up there to see it.

Any single organism or community or species can die out in the blink of an eye, but life itself is a tenacious bastard that will not give up easily.

2nd edit: grammar

Recovering from The Road glass 8/17/2008
This poem about the anticipation of death with its star-striding migratory geese and the vision of the "soul's imagined flight into eternity," seems to parallel some of the main themes in The Road and the man and the boy's journey to the sea as they, like Robert Penn Warren's geese, "stagger, recover control, then take the last glide for a far glint of water."

In The Road, the man "lay listening to flocks of migratory birds overhead in that bitter dark" as the doomed birds circle the earth in Penn Warren's imagery of a "path of folly," and also mirroring the scene later in TR of the "cold relentless circling of the intestate earth" like the "blind dogs of the sun in their running" in the "crushing black vacuum of the universe." The man never hears the birds again.

Robert Penn Warren

Heart of Autumn

Wind finds the northwest gap, fall comes.
Today, under gray cloud-scud and over gray
Wind-flicker of forest, in perfect formation, wild geese
Head for a land of warm water, the boom, the lead pellet.

Some crumple in air, fall. Some stagger, recover control,
Then take the last glide for a far glint of water. None
Knows what has happened. Now, today, watching
How tirelessly V upon V arrows the season's logic,

Do I know my own story? At least, they know
When the hour comes for the great wing-beat. Sky-strider,
Star-strider -- they rise, and the imperial utterance,
Which cries out for distance, quivers in the wheeling sky.

That much they know, and in their nature know
The path of pathlessness, with all the joy
Of destiny fulfilling its own name.
I have known time and distance, but not why I am here.

Path of logic, path of folly, all
The same -- and I stand, my face lifted now skyward,
Hearing the high beat, my arms outstretched in the tingling
Process of transformation, and soon tough legs,

With folded feet, trail in the sounding vacuum of passage,
And my heart is impacted with a fierce impulse
To unwordable utterance--
Toward sunset, at a great height.

Peter

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 8/17/2008
JTode: oh boy, if you think Chigurh is iconic, wait till you meet Judge Holden in Blood Meridian. I'd love to be a fly on your wall. Suggestion: just hedgehop the other books for a moment and go right to Blood Meridian. I usually don't encourage newly minted Cormackians to jump in at the deep end like that, but your academic background and the trajectory of your current ruminations leads me to suggest this. You may be horrified but you won't be sorry.

Recovering from The Road JTode 8/17/2008
Heh... Chigurh, the cinematic one, is the only other McC reference point I've got at the moment, so he looms mightily in my thoughts.

After looking at some of the blurbs, I had already decided on Blood Meridian next, because much of what I've read either keeps it at the top of the heap or else gives it second place to The Road. If my local bookstore doesn't have it tomorrow I'll start the Border trilogy, or else NCFOM, cause there's no way they won't have that.

Recovering from The Road booker 8/18/2008
"Suggestion: just hedgehop the other books for a moment and go right to Blood Meridian."
Rick Wallach is spot on correct with this. After reading The Road, I went over to Blood Meridian--a fantastic segway in my opinion. You wont regret it and you won't look back.
For me, I think Child of God is next. I reciently saw NCFOM, the film version, so I want to wait a little before I dive into the written text.
But The Road followed by Blood Meridian is the way to go for newer readers of Cormac. It worked for me. Now I'm hooked.

Booker

Recovering from The Road peterfranz 8/18/2008
Hi JTode.

On the matter of the sextant (an under-discussed episode in my view) I posted the following a couple of years ago:

One of the most fascinating sequences in the novel is the man’s finding of the sextant on board the boat. Interesting things sextants, wonderful instruments, often beautiful beyond the need of the purpose they serve and speaking of supreme craft and skill. In short a fine example of, or more properly an example of an end result of, McCarthy's interest in process as means to an end and an end in itself. His novels abound with long sequences where simple actions are described in a detailed and wonderfully mesmerising way. It is, I think, one of the most distinctive (and for me at least) one of the most attractive features of his writing.

As interesting, in the context of the novel as a whole, is the man’s response to what he has found. It is, we learn, 'the first thing he'd seen in a long time that stirred him.' But he doesn't take this beautiful and potentially extremely useful device with him. It's true that they're not easy to use and he does not appear to know a great deal about boats and by extension one supposes things maritime generally. They can also be pretty heavy (though this one doesn't appear to be so) or it may be that it is just too low down on the list of priorities to count. Nor does he take the opportunity to show to his son this thing of beauty that has 'stirred' him. What's going on here? I believe that one of the reasons that McCarthy has set this episode up in the way he has is so that we as readers can observe directly which is to say without the son as intermediary something of significance about the man's response and actions.

Fairly early in the episode (and before finding the sextant) McCarthy cherry picks the word 'clerestory' in relation to the portholes of the boat. Unavoidably this resonates with 'tabernacle' and alerts us to a particular atmosphere that McCarthy wishes to impart. At the level of mere technique this is hardly surprising; one expects in any well designed novel consistency of imagery and metaphor; but McCarthy seems to be preparing his readers for something else.

Finding the box (also a 'tabernacle') the man knows what it contains before he opens it and many readers will know as well. The effect when he reveals the sextant is wonderfully transporting rather like a change to a brighter key that the ear has been led to expect an instant before it happens. It is I think one of the greatest moments in the novel. McCarthy describes the flaws on the sextant and gives us 'otherwise it was perfect' and one can't help but think that he really believes and would like his readers to believe that it is in fact immaculate; has a core value that will be forever inviolate.

Replacing the sextant in its tabernacle, closing the latches, putting it back into its case and then closing the door feels strongly like an act of reverence. The man not only returns the instrument to its rightful place, the cloistered atmosphere in which it properly belongs; he leaves it exactly as he found it; does not violate this place; does not rip the heart (and the sextant is surely that) out of the boat. In doing so he gifts the sextant back to its own past and its possible future. While what he does is not in itself a religious act it does conform to something like the rituals of religious observance, it is perhaps the single most overtly hopeful gesture in the novel, an act of faith, no more and no less.

pf

Recovering from The Road dirtfarmer 8/18/2008
It's been almost a year since a read TR and it still haunts me in a way unlike the Border Trilogy, or even NCFOM. Now a third of the way into BLood Meridian (the judge has just rode out of town with the kid)I have found this site while trying to learn more about McCarthy.

It's been too long for my feeble mind to remember the prose or dialogue of TR, but the sextant scene seemed to be a turning point in the novel. The sextant was a metaphor for God, a God that had turned its back on man, for like the ship, heaved aground despite or perhaps with the help of,the sextant's ability to guide it. Man, who depended for God to protect him has been betrayed in a single blinding flash of light. (Like Saul's conversion to faith, mankind was converted to faithlessness in a flash of light.)Interesting that, at the end, the survivors who rescue the boy are the ones still clinging to their religion. Is McCarthy offering us a ray of hope? A light at the end of the proverbial tunnel? That God was not to blame, but still able to protect those who follow His will?

When the father finds the sextant, the is reminded that once upon a time man had the ability to find his bearings, to make the way, and that that world has now been shattered.

The sextant represents God's order and the ability to find one's way through Him, while the father who finds it is stumbling blindly through a chaotic world with no ability to chart a course, except "South" and no hope of finding what he's looking for there, assuming he knows what he's looking for at all, other than hope itself. The sextant is worthless to him because he has reached his destination. He realizes he's a helpless as a ship at sea with a broken rudder. He finaly understands how the story will end.

Recovering from The Road JTode 8/18/2008
Interesting thoughts, though I think there are more pedestrian answers to some of your questions.

For starters, the ash in the atmosphere means that no stars are visible, and likely never will be for at least a generation. On a purely practical level, the sextant has no potential use to the man or his son, save as a toy which the boy would have sooner or later discarded, as he did all the other toys he picked up along the way.

The reverence the man has for the device is understandable; I am not in any way nautically inclined, but even I am fascinated by sextants (as well as any other well-crafted device) when I see them. Moreover, it exhibits the best of our capabilities: precision, detail, beauty.

In fact, now that we're giving this some thought, it is one of the most perfect literary symbols I've ever encountered. One of my profs, I can't remember which, gave us the idea that Story is "what happened," whereas Plot is how the Story is revealed to the reader - The words we read in The Maltese Falcon, the murdered partner, Spade's dealings with Cairo et al, are the plot, whereas the Story is what he is chasing; the Story is the reason for the Plot. I'm not sure why I felt the need to lay that out here, but I think it's a relevant consideration anyways.

The purpose of a sextant is to guide a ship over a seascape whose surface features never change; there are no useful landmarks at sea, unlike say, crossing a mountain pass. The realization by the ancients that there is an order to the universe which surrounds us, and that the stars could be used for guidance if you looked at them closely and in the right way, opened up exploration and gave intrepid sailors a degree of mastery of their own fate. With a sextant, you can guide your ship and its passengers safely in to port.

I have never thought much about sextants before, but when you think about it, it competes with the printing press as the most important invention in human history. Imagine being on a ship without knowledge of sextants and how they work, and day after day seeing nothing but endless sea around you while that madman at the ship's helm will not listen to reason. Then imagine being the captain or the navigator, sighting the sun at noon and the stars at night, seeing that same seascape every day but knowing exactly, precisely where you are, where you're going, and when you'll get there. Even thinking about it is heady.

As such, the sextant is the last signpost before the border between the old world and the new, just as the man straddles the two worlds, having grown to manhood in the old world and survived in the new, both in the conventional and Darwinian sense through his son. The scene where he sees the distant flashes an immediately starts running the bath is telling: he understands immediately what has happened and what it means, and as such is as prepared as anyone is able to be for what's coming.

What I mean by this is that the sextant is (was) perfectly evolved by the old world from its earliest antecedent, the much simpler quadrant, which can be improvised from a piece of paper by anyone armed with the most basic bronze age principles of geometry and astronomy.

And that's where McC's invokation of the sextant proves brilliant: there are no stars. The cataclysm, the exact nature of which is never revealed, has knocked the world back on a scale scarcely imaginable - back to the stone age, back to a state where the wheel and control of the fire which they carry is the best we can muster. Assuming that humanity does survive in some form, the knowledge which enables the use of the sextant will have long atrophied by the time the stars come back. The sextant, even in its most simplified expression, is as dead as the world which birthed it.

And to complete my previous statement, the sextant was pefectly evolved by the old world, and is equally perfectly *useless* in the new. The man has already decided to not fill the boy's head with anything of the old world, and there is NO object or idea in the book more perfectly of the old world than the sextant, which unlike the other remnants, fuel, canned food, mattresses, has no potential use to the boy. At the same time, he reveres it, and to let the boy use and discard it as a toy would profane it.

The placement of objects has great relevance here. The only really good stash they find is buried in the ground - in a crypt, a grave - and they briefly stay there, and I think it would've been a pretty good gamble to pile up more trash around the entrance to that dugout and use up those stores completely before moving on. The ample food would have put some meat back on their bones, given them strength for whatever physical struggles they faced. But they were living, literally, in the dead and buried past, and I think they moved on because while the food would have nurtured them physically, the ease would have softened them and killed them once they left again. The mental discipline they would have sacrificed by staying was more important than being well-fed; indeed, constant hunger would be an essential motivation to survive.

Just as the bunker places the past and its bounty in a different physical space than the present, so does the shipwreck. The father and son both go in the water, but only the father goes to the boat. Only the father *can* go to the boat, because only he is of the world of which the boat is a pure product - technology, science, knowledge both modern and arcane.

When the man comes back out on deck, the boy is terrified by the different clothes he is wearing, themselves made of some modern material which soon won't exist. He is, in that moment, a man on the deck of a ship, equipped with the knowledge to use it as it was meant to be used, whereas the boy is a new, primitive life form, shivering on the shores of the ocean from which he has just emerged. The man is the distant future, the boy is the distant past, but circumstance has transplanted the two consciousnesses.

More importantly, as is so often the case with protagonists, the man is the liminal figure in the midst of everything: he exists on the beach with the boy and on the boat with the sextant, in the old world and the new, and he has to leave both the sextant and the boy behind, because you can't exist in two places at the same time.

This went on for a lot longer than I intended. I'm not even gonna reread it for my inevitable errors of tortured syntax right now, cause I let the machine get two calls while I rambled on. :>

Recovering from The Road ccrossingham 8/19/2008
I think the sextant is a tip of the hat to Melville, Ahab, and Moby-Dick (a favorite book of McCarthy). Ahab tosses his navigational devices into the sea on his increasingly blindered quest to find the white whale. http://etd.gsu.edu/theses/available/etd-12012006-094528/unrestricted/schlarb_damien_b_200612_ma.pdf
I don't know the difference between a quadrant and a sextant, but this feels like a likely nod to Ahab's destructive journey of self-discovery.

Recovering from The Road EKHornbeck 8/19/2008
Hey, gang. I just posted a new blog on The Road that I hope you will all enjoy. I would be pleased to hear your thoughts if you wish to share them.

It is at www.ekhornbeck.blogspot.com


Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 8/19/2008
Hornbek: great handle, but I doubt if there are a lot of Gene Kelly fans here, and after all, how many people have seen Inherit the Wind often enough to know where the hell it comes from?

Recovering from The Road EKHornbeck 8/19/2008
Too few, I imagine. H.L. Mencken has long been one of my heroes, and using "E.K. Hornbeck" allowed me to reference Mencken while not exposing myself to the dangers of creative overexertion. Regrettably, somebody that regularly comments on The Daily Kos also uses the handle, and I have gathered to my dismay that he is not a credit to the name.

Recovering from The Road suzie 8/21/2008
When the father and son take refuge in the cold cellar the father finds some kruggerands, the currency of South Africa, did i miss some symbolism? Why currency from South Africa in the USA?

Recovering from The Road glass 8/21/2008
EK: I read your blog and enjoyed your piece on The Road. And I really loved that photo of the book collection. Funny thing, I was tooling around on the internet this past week and found a site where some person specializes in photos of books, and the myriad ways in which they are arranged and right now I'm watching a Shelby Foote interview on C-SPAN and marveling at his book collection.

PS...Mencken has long been one of my favorites.

Peter

Recovering from The Road Marc 8/21/2008
Peter:
Beside my affection for Mencken, he was a huge hero of columnist Mike Royko's as well.

Recovering from The Road glass 8/21/2008
Marc: I'd forgotten or didn't know that fact about Royko, but it sure makes a lot of sense. That's great.

Peter

Recovering from The Road EKHornbeck 8/22/2008
Peter: Thanks for the kind words about the blog on The Road. The book had a profound effect on me, and I tried to capture the essence of my experience in the blog (which, among other things, included taking the color out of the pictures to portray the bleak aspect of the book, etc.).

I'd love to see the Web site with all the photos of books. What a strange idea. Curiously, though, I realize now that my Web site contains lots of photos of books.

E.K.

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 8/22/2008
EK:

In the backwash of my anger and frustration at the way the Marlins are spiraling out of the National League East race, I punched up your excellent blog on The Road, Byron et al. Aside from pointing out that Tambora was just a hiccup compared to Taupo (where some years back I was the only one on our fishing charter who caught not one single fucking trout) and the granddaddy of 'em all within the ambit of human existence, Toba, here's a little something for ya:

parse (pärs)
v. parsed, pars·ing, pars·es

v. tr.

1. To break (a sentence) down into its component parts of speech with an explanation of the form, function, and syntactical relationship of each part.
2. To describe (a word) by stating its part of speech, form, and syntactical relationships in a sentence.
3.
1. To examine closely or subject to detailed analysis, especially by breaking up into components: "What are we missing by parsing the behavior of chimpanzees into the conventional categories recognized largely from our own behavior?" (Stephen Jay Gould).
2. To make sense of; comprehend: I simply couldn't parse what you just said.
4. Computer Science To analyze or separate (input, for example) into more easily processed components.

The Britannica dictionary gives "parsable" as the adjective form, so McCarthy neologized it by spelling it "parsible." As a battle-tested composition and critical writing teacher, the term jumped right out at me when I read it. The world as a text. I liked it - no less for being an unreconstructed deconstructionist, what with the old Derridean inclination to see ever goldanged thing as "text." In my youth I wrote an essay on Judge Holden from Blood Meridian wherein I noted McCarthy's tendency deliberately to parody postmodernist takes on language and meaning, with Holden himself being a prime example, so this particular neologism, "parsible," seems to me just another example of this inclination. It may be that what was an intellectual construction in Blood Meridian when McCarthy wrote it in his late forties has become simply a visceral perception of things by The Road.

Now having unburdened myself of that, I would add that I like neologisms, and I also like having to stop what I'm reading and grope through the dictionary to learn a new word. I also like pitting my instincts about what a word means or entails against what the dictionary says it means. It's a bit like walking through the woods with a field guide in my pocket for when I stumble over that otherwise unidentifiable bug on the path or notice a particularly interesting rock. More: I think McCarthy inserts those arcane words very deliberately. I don't always get what he's up to right away, but that's alright. If I know anything about his work, it's that his madness is always methodical. What do we do with words like that if we don't use them? Is there any standard of use - aside from (yecchhh) the general decline in rhetorical skills of the population at large - for determining what bits of the language we consign to oblivion through disuse? Do we give them up because there may be a more casual way of expressing their meanings in an equally precise way, or because what they mean is no longer significant? Seems to me we need all the words and variations on them that we can get, if only to offset the prevalent intellectual lethargy that places such a premium on vagueness. I trust McCarthy's sense of craft enough to spot him the benefit of the doubt when he uses those words. Trying to figure out why he uses them is as much a part of the joy of reading him as any part of the process of comprehending what he's up to.

Aside from which, as a child my father used to take me often to Luchow's German restaurant on 14th Street in Manhattan. It was just down the street from his office on the corner of 5th Avenue and 14th Street, cattycorner from the southwest corner of Union Square. It was Mencken's favorite restaurant, and he would frequently invite friends and other writers there for a bacchanalian schnitzel dinner and to hold court. I think I read someplace that he made many of the notes for The American Language there; there were photos of him in the foyer either sitting at the table with various personages of his day or with the (I presume) original owners of the place. I was maybe ten or eleven years old so what did I know from Mencken? Oddly enough, though, I remembered the name, and maybe six or seven years later when I first read some of his stuff I vividly recall spontaneously associating him with the strudel. I remember the food as being very good, and I began my lifelong romance with schnitzel a la Holstein with spaetzel and veal gravy there. I cannot imagine any other circumstances under which I could have developed an affinity for anchovies at such an early age.

Recovering from The Road wes-morgan 8/22/2008
Rick,

I loved your paragraph (above) on neologisms and the joys of reading McCarthy. You really captured there a significant experience of mine and one that has been become even more salient in my recent and closer rereading of Suttree. Nicely done. I wish I could have said it.

Recovering from The Road reepss 8/22/2008
strange,,i saw the heading,, the road,,and thought of 14th street,,and how desolate it was in the 70s
i was telling a friend of mine from germany how in the 70s the street lights on 14th were dark at 9 oclock,,and how union square was sort of a overgrown jungle full of junkies jumping out of the bushes,,
we talked about how there was nothing on 5th, ariond 14th,,except the old peppermint lounge on 15th (lots of good shows!)
ny sure has changed
and its like that
renewal
and decay
dissolve and coagulate
wodnering what the high tech times sqaure will look like if and when the wheel spins that way again..towards urban blight.
so the road
can it be seen beyond? past the (angsty) grimness,
is that all there is?
or is there more beyond?
gonna say yeah..
so where's that story?
where the kid does good?

oh luchows and the palladium,,victims of nyu (that self absorbed bastion of liberal indoctrination) destroyed all that,, for dorms.. how creepy is that? (less creepy than tearing down poe's house!! for dorms!!)

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 8/22/2008
Reepss: got my first MA at NYU, that bastion of liberal indoctrination. Of course, it wasn't one until I got there. Hee hee hee....Union Square (which the Daily News called "Red Square")in the late 60s. Ah yes. The Marxist Bookshop was just off the square to the east on 15th Street. I spent all my free time there, reading things like Vo Nguyen Giap's People's War, People's Army and various anarchistic treatises by folks like Bakunin and Trotsky. I think I got my original black light Che poster there too; say what you will, but that poster, a good joint full of Panama Red, and the long version of In-a-gadda-da-vida could enhance student sex life in ways that leaving on the radio with Hannity or Limbaugh couldn't touch. Aside from which, leftist chicks were far easier and equally far better skilled than conservative chicks - but then I never met a conservative chick anyway. I can't begin to tell you how much more interesting the leftist polemics of those days were than that rightist sludgepot oddly titled The Conscience of a Conservative.

Re Poe's house, my daughter did a summer session at Brown University (AKA "Miskatonic University"), where she stayed in a dorm in H. P. Lovecraft's house. In his case, though, they left it standing and just filled it with students - not too different from his usual assortment of mutants and otherworldlies from what I saw of it.

Wes: I am humbly flattered. Thank you.

Recovering from The Road blackhiller 8/22/2008
Rick,

I concur with Wes, and am, of course, another neologophile.

Good to see you defend German cuisine, which Harrison is of course very (and incorrectly) rough on. Had plate of it up at the Alpine Inn this week for lunch while Cormac and I were out on our little road trip. Complete with _Real_ Sauerkraut, a brat cooked perfectly (no bun), a Polish sausage also cooked perfectly, German potato salad, some of that heavy German bread, and an Erdinger's heifzen.

Harrison is of course also very wrong about rosemary and butter. It also troubles me that he never seems to mention Asian Indian or Meditteranean cuisines. He's right about almost everything else.

Recovering from The Road EKHornbeck 8/22/2008
Rick:

Thank you for your thoughts and insight. Naturally, I was familiar with "parse" and its various forms, but as you point out, "parsible" is not among them. Thus the neologism, I suppose.

Like you, I enjoy discovering new words, and the books I read are usually filled with red ink and accompanying definitions for those words I do not know and those words for which a use has been applied that is new or interesting to me. I usually then print the best words and tack them to the wall next to my desk so that they remain close to the surface of my consciousness for a while - so that I actually learn the words and put them to use occasionally.

I learned several new words from The Road, but, as I discuss in the blog, "parsible" was mysterious because it was not an existing word defined in American English, and its meaning was not necessarily clear from the context.

Your annotations aside, I would continue to assert that the word continues to lack a clear definition. As such, its use in a work of otherwise sound literature seems unusual to me. Has McCarthy sounded off on this point? Has he said whether he intended to create a new word or a variant of an existing one, or could it simply have been a spelling mistake? (By my count, the word "myriad" appears in The Road twice and is misspelled once in my paperback edition.)

I am new to Cormac McCarthy, and I am encouraged to read more of his works to better understand him. Reading The Road, I formed the impression that some of the unusual words and language used did not further the story, but I'm sure my context is limited at this point. I'll report back after reading a few more; I hope to be able to discuss the matter more intelligently at that time.

Your Mencken story is great - as is American Language and its supplement(s), although I have never managed to read the entirety of both volumes. Certainly Mencken could weigh in on this discussion of neologisms.

And, curiously, from 1833 to 1835, Poe lived in Baltimore, a couple of blocks from Mencken's apartment overlooking the park.

Thanks again for the insight on McCarthy. Well done and good form.

E.K.

Recovering from The Road peterfranz 8/22/2008
Well, that’s very interesting Rick but I’m at a loss to understand why you think ‘parsable’ when spelt ’parsible’ is therefore a neologism!?! McCarthy has not created a new word but used (either consciously or in error) a spelling that is common enough even if the word itself is not. Alternatively, of course, this is just one more of the compositors cock-ups of which there are several.

pf

Recovering from The Road JTode 8/22/2008
EK: I crawled in here a few days ago, still reeling from the brutality of The Road. I liked your blog, and if others hadn't already covered it for me, I'd be writing a similar paean to authors that use big old/new words. Keeps me on my toes.

Anyways, I'm now working my way through Blood Meridian. If you're debating what to read next, that seems to be the concensus for where to go from here.

Recovering from The Road glass 8/22/2008
Rick,

That was really great. I like looking up the obscure words as well and even the more common ones such as "threadbare" in The Road and wondering which definition McCarthy was thinking of when he used that in the Ely passage (likely not the first couple of entries). Some of the more obscure ones I've looked at lately include the genius use of "keen" in Outer Dark to describe Rinthy's cry in the tinker's home when she knows she'll never see her son again and that the chap is dead to her; and "stave" in OD in the hog drover passage, perhaps serving as one of those one-word markers Robert Alter writes about in "Pleasures" and to me suggesting Eliot's Hollow Men not to mention the scarecrow imagery in that scene. It all seems very deliberate as you noted, obviously much more eloquently than I'll ever be able to say.

Peter

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 8/22/2008
Peterfranz: I didn't mean to imply that "parsible" was a neologism per se, just that its metaphorical implications weren't lost in the odd spelling: the world that could be broken down into its operative constituents has broken down in fact. And yes, it could be a typo - but in McCarthy, how the hell do we know? It's all in good fun - even good apocalyptic fun.

Glass: oh, yeah - Robert Alter's Pleasures of Reading, one of the truly great rejoinders to the postmodernist assertion that because gold is alchemically transformed shit, then all shit must be equivalent to gold. Unfortunately, Alter's thesis about clarity has often been abused: he's not upset with complex language per se, but with language that gets complex primarily to mask the fact that it is devoid of ideas. Regardless, some folks have interpreted his protest against "MLA-ish" jargon in critical writing to attack anything except a limited range of (usually mundane) vocabulary in any text. However, I will, in a spirit of continuity, respond to those champions of limited rhetoric in the simplest and most lucid way I know how: fuck 'em.

Recovering from The Road BillJ 11/16/2008
Hi, New to the site. I appreciate the rare (for the net) consideration and the high level of discussion displayed here. I'm hoping some are still reading this thread, as I see the last post was in August. Started reading McCarthy back around APHorses, but it never clicked for me. I staved off my gift copy of The Road until a few days ago and was devastated by it, as others here have been. I am torn between re-reading immediately and simply trying to move on, but this is the 2nd day on a row of me reading every single post in this thread when I haven't been just walking through the day in a daze, so it doesn't look like I will be moving on any time soon. And when I do, it will likely be right to Blood Meridian.

Though I am a McCarthy neophyte and not versed in his storeroom of symbols, references, allusions, etc., I did want to continue on the posts regarding the sextant. Specifically, I wanted to continue dirtfarmer's interpretation of the instrument as a symbol of God. Though I am agnostic, I was brought up Catholic and, like The Road, it is hard to shake it. But I am aware of CM's use of biblical and religious imagery, which certainly comes through in TR.

When I first started reading dirtfarmer's post, I was skeptical, thinking in would be a stretch. A sentence or three into the post, however, and I totally bought in. He/she writes:


"When the father finds the sextant, the is reminded that once upon a time man had the ability to find his bearings, to make the way, and that that world has now been shattered.

The sextant represents God's order and the ability to find one's way through Him, while the father who finds it is stumbling blindly through a chaotic world with no ability to chart a course, except "South" and no hope of finding what he's looking for there, assuming he knows what he's looking for at all, other than hope itself. The sextant is worthless to him because he has reached his destination. He realizes he's a helpless as a ship at sea with a broken rudder. He finally understands how the story will end."


I concur with this for the most part. I would somewhat further the interpretation, but it seems I veer off slightly at the conclusion, as I do not believe that the father has at that point come to any such definitive conclusions on their own struggle. At first consideration of dirtfarmer's reading of the scene, I felt that if the sextant was that guidance from God, it was only useful to those willing to accept Him. But it seemed that the lost boaters had ignored that gift, that tool, God's offer to guide and instead they kept the instrument boxed away -- that is until I read the post soon after pointing out the uselessness of the sextant when the stars could not be seen anymore. Either way, one can read this apocalypse as man having turned his back on God and His creation, and the stars are no longer visible because of man. Man is shipwrecked. Perhaps the father realizes the final futility of all of it, or at least loses his way only for the moment. For by the end of the book he has certainly realized his charge was not to merely protect his son in the short term, but to deliver him, and by extension, the "goodness," "the fire," and civilization further forward (in the chain of evolution, as lateral as it may be?) As others have pointed out, the son takes what his father has taught him and immediately finds the next step, as realized in the new family, one who believes in the breaths being passed on from God.

Or maybe I'm just too tired and emotionally drained by the book as a reader and a young father of a boy of 4 years and girl of 9. I do know that I don't recall ever being moved so significantly by a book (maybe by a Nina Simone or a Dylan song). I don't mind admitting I sobbed for a time and did that walking around the late night empty house that other posters have mentioned. And I did not feel manipulated. Like a deeply affecting piece of music, the book worked me over on a primal, essential, and physical level, as well as intellectually. Sadly beautiful bits of haiku for the apocalypse.

Recovering from The Road glass 11/16/2008
Bill: Nice first post. For more great stuff on the sextant, I would encourage you to read Peter Franz' beautiful essay in the Forum thread entitled "The things that they carried" from 11/20/2006.

I've been reading Hannah Arendt's Men in Dark Times and some of it makes me think of The Road, for instance:

"To what extent do we remain obligated to the world even when we have been expelled from it or have withdrawn from it?

"They must remember they are constantly on the run, and that the world's reality is actually expressed by their escape. Thus, too, the true force of escapism springs from persecution, and the personal strength of the fugitives increases as the persecution and the danger increases." (22)

Arendt is perhaps best known for the phrase "banality of evil," a normalizing of the unthinkable that has some Road resonance.

Peter

Recovering from The Road BillJ 11/16/2008
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the tip. I expect to be spending much more time here delving into such past posts. I appreciate your reading and you compliment. Only sorry I didn't catch the typos.

Bill

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 11/17/2008
Bill:

Note the "edit" link on your posts. You may redeem yourself whenever it is convenient. We're long past embarrassment over typos on here.

Welcome to the forum.

Recovering from The Road ronaguilar 11/18/2008
I hope the movie stays exactly how the book was written. I dont know if I will be able to see it in a theater. Perhaps on DVD at home. It has been two years since I have read that book, and I will never forget it.

Recovering from The Road BillJ 11/18/2008
Thanks, Rick. I did indeed correct them. Great forum!

And I have indeed started to re-read, now slowly savoring the poetry of the book. It brings up another subject that I will have to search past threads for, i.e. the tension I felt as a reader propelled by the suspenseful narrative on the one hand and the profoundly beautiful language and observations that seem to want to give pause to the reader (literally? Or should that more accurately read "cause the reader to pause"?). The tempo of the action, such as it is, and the inner workings of the father and the voice of the writer all work in some sort of rhythm. It seems to be a well-balanced novel in that respect, though I'm not sure that I would feel the pull to re-read if that balance was perfected to such a point that the reader does not need to feel he must apply the breaks manually, as I did. Perhaps there would be some way to have balanced the page-turning narrative with the more reflective moments. I don't necessarily believe this to be true -- so far.

One of the most wonderful feelings, which it seems most readers of TR share, is that compulsion to read on without a break. I contrast that to Richard Ford's Lay of the Land, of which I am certainly a fan, though I did not enjoy as much as the previous novel in that trilogy, Independence Day. Lay of the Land takes the narrative almost completely internally, so there is very little action to disrupt once the reader gets walloped by some breathtaking existential observation and/or great piece of writing by Ford.

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 11/18/2008
I've noticed that all three novels in the Bascombe trilogy seem to age along with the protagonist - the pace of each one seems to become more deliberate and internalized than the one before it. This may be some kind of strategy that Ford laid out from the beginning, but in any case this last one was slower going and, it seems to me, rather less humorous than the last two. There's nothing as overtly funny as Mr. B getting slugged by his girlfriend or freaked out when he realizes that the retired football player he's been sent to interview is a paranoid schizophrenic, or even getting screwed by a dying client or nearly arrested over a dead bird. His observations seem to be tinged with stoicism, a bit of self-pity and resignation rather than the self-deprecating irony of the earlier books. I think it's been the case that in all three books, Ford's prose itself has sustained interest in a man whose life and thoughts are otherwise pretty bourgeois and uninteresting, but as Frank gets older, it seems to me that the task gets harder for the writing. The closest thing I can think of to the Bascombe saga was Joseph Heller's masterful Something Happened, all nuance and subtleties rather than plot driven.

I think he was happiest running that hot dog stand.

Recovering from The Road BillJ 11/18/2008
Ha! I agree with all of that and don't think I could have articulated it so well. The dead bird scene is, in my mind, the peak of the trilogy. I believe I first read it in an excerpt in the New Yorker prior to the release of the book and greatly anticipating that release. And when it came back in the context of the novel, it was even more powerful -- a great mix of acerbic humor, melancholy, anger, humiliation, and resignation all at once, most of the various components that made the series so enjoyable. In fact I read Independence Day twice, the second time after getting a day job as a real estate broker, having obviously ignored Ford's warnings via those clients (the Markems, or something?)

Haven't read any Heller, I am ashamed to say. Need to get to it.

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 11/18/2008
Bill: If you're sampling Heller, of course his best known work is the wonderful Catch-22. I've read some critics who call it "dated," but after re-reading it not all that many months ago I'll be damned if I can figure out what they're talking about. I'd skip We Bombed in New Haven and go right to Something Happened after that, but be warned: it's a typical modernist meganovel that just happened to be written 30 years past the heyday of the form. Or, I guess, you could also think of it as a postmodernist Confessions of Zeno but with a lot of good old American heft around the middle. You'll need to put some serious time aside. But it'll be worth it. You'll be giggling to yourself very shortly after the parallels between Frank and Slocum start becoming apparent.

Recovering from The Road KevinM 11/18/2008
CM readers might profitably reread Moby Dick, as CM does annually (or so we've been told).

Ahab uses a sextant (or a quadrant which I think is similar) to chart his course. But near the end of the book, shortly before the meeting with the Rachel, he throws it to the deck, tramples it and curses it. Clearly, it isn't just a quadrant Ahab is rejecting.

It's another of the many parallels between TR and MD. (The most obvious is that in both books the questing main characters believe the world is malignant, intent on destroying them and both have lost all ability to see humanity in the faces around them.)

STRETCH WARNING -- The "seed" (right word??) of Moby Dick was the true story of the Nantucket Whaler, the Essex. The Essex was rammed and sunk by a sperm whale and the surviving crew took to the open sea in small whaling boats. Okay, here's the weird part -- the crew chose a ridiculously convoluted course to dry land, because they believed they were surrounded by cannibal infested islands, a practice which they eventually took up themselves.

I'd have to say that I found TR very manipulative of the reader, because it depends for its dramatic effect on how to avoid the ending that is inevitable -- i.e., the father will kill his son before killing himself. Then it reverses direction in the final pages.

Ever see the movie Stranger Than Fiction, in which the hero has to die but is saved by an unforseeable twist of events that runs counter to everything that went before it? I thought the ending of TR has that deus ex machina quality.

And I've wondered why the reader shouldn't believe that the son has been "rescued" by a softer cannibal tribe.

But I agree TR is a compelling read and a page turner. The story might be best suited to print and too ghastly for film, but we'll see, I guess.

Recovering from The Road glass 11/18/2008
>>>>>The story might be best suited to print and too ghastly for film, but we'll see, I guess.<<<<

I wish everything would have worked out and we'd be looking forward to seeing The Road a week from Friday. Oh well.

>>>>And I've wondered why the reader shouldn't believe that the son has been "rescued" by a softer cannibal tribe.<<<<

I never got that feeling from that family at all, ever. They seem as good as the boy, but that's just me. And there's that conversation that takes place in the future when "She would talk to him sometimes about God."

Interesting bit about McCarthy reading Moby Dick annually. Back in the early to mid-1980s and always on Christmas break from college, I tried to read Huck Finn every year because Mencken said he did and gave up on that after about four years. Tried to read Strunk and White twice a year and probably could stand to do that again soon.

Peter

Recovering from The Road BillJ 11/19/2008
Hi Rick -- I should have added, "except for Catch-22," which I have read, though it has been 20+ years. I also loved the film. Can one imagine a better cast hero than Alan Arkin? I do appreciate the other suggested titles, though.

As for the idea that Kevin mentions and that I have seen in other threads, i.e. that the book is hurtling toward some climax that the father will inevitably have to kill the son, which is abruptly veers from at the last minute, I simply never felt that way at all. Early on, the father admits he will likely not have to ability to do so even if faces with the scenario he has tried to prepare for. If anything, I felt throughout the book that the father is doing his best to keep them both alive as long as possible and to get the boy to some next level of existence before he, the father, passes. It is his only "charge" as he notes.

But really, this is life in general boiled down to its essence: basic survival first, philosophy (about the reasons for survival and existence) is a luxury.

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 11/19/2008
Bill - straight on to Something Happened, then. As I noted, you'll think you've run into another Frank Bascombe. Wouldn't be surprised if Heller was weighing on Ford's mind when he wrote The Sportswriter and launched the trilogy. By the way, I hope Lay of the Land will be the last of them. One thing our literature doesn't need is another "Rabbit."

Kevin - and Captain Kirk reads Moby Dick as well. He kept trying to get back into it during The Wrath of Khan - even broke down and got hisself a pair of reading glasses. I suspect he must read it once every light year or so.

Recovering from The Road KevinM 11/19/2008
>>Kevin - and Captain Kirk reads Moby Dick as well. He kept trying to get back into it during The Wrath of Khan - even broke down and got hisself a pair of reading glasses. I suspect he must read it once every light year or so.<<

You know, I sorta recall hearing that. After MD he'd have time left for some Russian novels.

Recovering from The Road KevinM 11/19/2008
>>As for the idea that Kevin mentions and that I have seen in other threads, i.e. that the book is hurtling toward some climax that the father will inevitably have to kill the son, which is abruptly veers from at the last minute, I simply never felt that way at all.<<

I've only read TR once, but remember having the strong perception that the book was traveling in a straight line to a murder and a suicide. Wrong and wrong. You've prompted me to reread it to see whether that's actually in the text as a potential outcome, floated now and then by the author to keep pages turning or just a personal response of my own.

Recovering from The Road BillJ 11/19/2008
Hi Kevin,

I did not mean to say you were wrong by any means. In fact, I believe others have discussed the same impression you have. I just feel the father (and I believe this to be supported by the text) pretty much admits to himself, or at least wonders rhetorically but ultimately knowing that he would not be able to pull the trigger for that first bullet.

On another note, I have tried some fruitless (albeit late-night) searches to just see if there have been some posts/threads dedicated to what seems like the most basic and obvious reading of TR as McCarthy's anxiety about fathering a child so late in life and knowing his time is perhaps even more precious, against the knowledge that he will have to leave his own son behind. He alludes to such feelings in the Oprah interview, i.e. the El Paso anecdote.

Recovering from The Road Rick Wallach 11/20/2008
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